Mr. Daniel Mwaura and Saidimu Olengais Debates Socialism.
It seems the chairman of Narc-ks Mr. Daniel Mwaura and the CCM chairman Mr. Saidimu Olengais are reading different ideologies of socialism. Mr Saidimu has been fighting Francis Ole Kaparo for long and now I am sure he is relieved after ODM helped him to topple Kaparo. Beside the above, Mr. Mwaura seems to admit also that Kibaki stole his way to power. Back to Socialism, I think “Socialism is a political ideology that simply means to share. The most significant values of socialism are; Community, Cooperation, Equality, Social class and Common ownership. It will be also wise to know that socialism has its traditions which vary from one society to another. In it we have; Revolutionary Socialism which is social democracy and Evolutionary socialism which is communism”. Here is the conversation between the two;
By airing this issue, we will be doing a gradual treatment for our society. by trying to understand each other, we are doing the job of reconciliation. It is along process. And Sir, “Kibaki is the President in Kenya AND a BIG FULLSTOP!!” Since we want to solve a problem, we probably won’t agree on the above statement since we as you said in the previous conversation, feels that someone was mischievous. Both Kibaki and Odinga are said to have not taken their responsibility and that Kenya is bigger than the two.
Kenya is being destroyed and you agree with it meaning that we cannot just let it be that way. A civilized society prepares itself by planning and able to fore tell what is going to happen before it’s due. Don’t you agree with me that it our responsibility to tell the whole world the whole truth? It the right time to do it in a manner that does not put inflammable to an already burning house. Let us conquer our feelings in order to make wise decisions
OBS; English is not our second mother tongue! You are advised to check with your Oxford Dictionary when you see new terms in our conversation before you include them in your VOCABULARY.
Mr. Saidimu, I do not need to say much but you seem to be confused on Kenyan politics. Information to you… KIBAKI and RAILA is like PEPSI and COCACOLA…Mukaru Nganga Kenda was left and watch my words. CCM is Close to Social Democratic Party of Sweden. For your in formation, I am an active member of SDP here in Sweden.. So please don’t mix the Kenyan Capitalistic way of thinking with the Swedish Socialist…Mwaura
We belong to the same Batallion and I think it will take time for you to understand me politically. Well.., can i say in simple words that Kenya is BIGGER THAN KIBAKI and RAILA? I have evidence that Raila rigged elections in Luo Nyanza,Western,and some parts in RiftValley to name but a few. Kibaki might have also done the same in some areas in Central. Who is the big thief???? Media propaganda will not help and iam sorry majority in the whole world are like you. Now Kibaki is the President in Kenya AND a BIG FULLSTOP!! Kenyans wre and are still being killed…. Who is AUTHORISING THIS KILLINGS?? AND Why???? The world needs to be told the truth and the whole truth NOT propagandas!!!!!!
MWAURA.It is so wonderful to realize that we are actually soldiers of the same battalion, the social democratic battalion. Our fundamental responsibility is to come out right now and neutralize the situation in Kenya in whatever capacity we can by addressing both Kibaki and Odinga while we try to be balanced. Brother, the Kenyan politics are mystical no wonder even the most promising figures are compromised the moment they join the “house”
There are many theories around the rigging and why it had to happen. Many say that since all was pointing out that Obama and the America people are realizing that something is happening they decided to hold hands and unite. Obama says, in his at most intelligent speeches he makes in all campaigning meetings that SOMETHING IS HAPPENING IN AMERICA then they all sy; YES WE CAN. He says,(Obama) that if we unite, we can bring down the mighty power of injustice.
All men and women who are morally upright sees the need for change both in America and in Kenya.We must unite because we have a common enemy, that is the social economical and polical injustice. How best can we do this? You tell me that in Sweden the Prime Minister respect the FUNDAMENTAL LAWS. WE EXPECT THAT our leaders do this as well. Chairman, do you agree with me that fundamental laws are based on natural existence of life? It must be the same in the whole universe. All must have the right to express, group, live, and have the right to speech, belong to any religion of heir choice without being intimidated whatsoever. We argue with the notion that all men are created equal.
In Kenya, when irregularities arise like during the election of 2007, those who thing they are cheated, must have the right to express themselves, have speeches on the issue and group to demand what they think is theirs by this fundamental rights. These groups can demonstrate in the non violence way with the same fundamental intention to protect the basic rights of those who are alleged to be mischievous. Your freedom ends the moment you violet the other Ono’s (JFK) but freedom is not given by the oppressor but taken by the oppressed (MLK JR)
Being a social democrat, have you gone out to demand that Odinga tells his supporters to use the non violence demonstration to eject Kibaki out of office if he cheated? How about Kibaki? Have demanded of him not to order paramilitary police to shoot demonstrators to kill? Myself, I feel I haven’t done much, I am urging to do something to stop this killing and animosity that will be left in our society aftermath. Mr Mwaura, we cannot continue to reproduce the same division we have in Kenya here in Sweden. You must do something to fix that problem. This is very serious and I think we owe the future generation all to ensure we prepare this world for their survival.
The problem as we all know is about even distribution of resources to all Kenyans despite background.
Our leaders are failures! They should have fixed this by constitution long time ago. What is your plan now? there must not be any more bloodshed in our country! Tell me about the Kenya Capitalism.Your Comrade Maasaiwarrior- Chairman CCM Sweden Saidimu Ole Ngais.
Chairman Saidimu,Ideologies on our Kenyan parties are just for the registration…that’s it! Then it’s who is who economically and who makes the best deal with the west…Kibaki is a failure in the eyes of the west because he shifted business from the west to Asia. Now that the deals they made with Raila WONT succeed after Kibaki was declared the Winner and sworn in as our new/old president, the Imperialists are now trying to change positions with plan A being: – Talking with Kibaki to share power with Raila so that they wont loose the lots of money and resources they put on Railas campaign.
Plan B:- Work with Kibaki BUT he has to sign Bussiness deals with the Imperialists/West. Plan C:- Help Raila take power BY ANY MEANS NECESARY thereby caring NOT how many Innocent Kenyans die, with this they have already started it by telling President Kibaki to allow demonstrations knowing very well criminals will use it at this insecure time to Kill innocent Kenyans, Steal from Shops etc, so that the Police in the name of Keeping security (Kills with the GUN)!!! Then hell will break loose…..then……Blah…Blah..blah..
Saidimu, Siasa ya Kenya and Africa as a whole is dictated by the west especially our colonial masters…On Swedish…..Moderates are the right wings here but the unwritten rules in Sweden is that all believe in a Socialist way of life that’s why EVEN Fredrik the Prime Minister will never touch on the FUNDERMENTAL LAWS based on Socialistic way of thinking. Kenyans, “we” are even OVER Capitalistic…I can explain this to you later if you want.
I didn’t know we are comrades in SDP of Sweden. I am a committee member here in FITTJA BRANCH and I am erected SocialNämden member where we meet with all parties represented in Botkyrka and Discuss and make final decisions on most of what is to be done here in Botkyrka Kommun. So I would very much to incorporate you with our Branch sometimes when we have members meeting. Comrades’ greetings
Saidimu says, Chairman Mwaura, I take this opportunity to congratulate you and look forward to work with you since we belong to the same party, the Social democratic party don’t we? Why don’t we set on and work? Yes I am confused and that you also know when it comes to Kenyan politics. Things are never the way they look like. Rules are not followed because corruption has its own rules, principles, “democratic” don’t mean the same thing in Kenya coz the environment is created to suite corruption.
Sir,you say;………… KIBAKI and RAILA is like PEPSI and COCACOLA…Mukaru Nganga Kenda was left and watch..my word..”
Saidimu says; You agree with me that our politics are failing because we have no evidence based theories in our way of politicking?
i said before, a social democrat cannot vote for moderaterna don’t don’t you agree? I want to understand what you mean by Mwaura say; So please dont mix the Kenyan Capitalistic way of thinking with the swedish Socialist…
The Swedish socialist are for ex. the left part/Vänster partiet. Swedish capitalist are the Moderaterna and you and active social democrat.
CCM Sweden and I are stable Social democrats whether in Sweden or in Kenya. A social democrat in the west does not change into a moderate in the South. Please clear my confusion. Remember we are all trying to understand how to solve our national problem. This is possible if you and I stop ignoring the root cause of the problem. We must listen to the signs and learn to identify the symptoms of the disease that is gradually eating our society.
Please help me out.
I have posted the press release on my site. I am also sending by my registration as a member in the struggle. But then the other question remains, Since we have made this Humanitarian org with the Christian community Bagarmossen Out Reach ministry, and our intention was to cooperate with you, what possibilities are there or are we going to work parallel for the same cause? I have realized that there is already a bridge between UHCK and newly born MOREDEK as if UHCK was another political party.
UHCK is non political and her members can as well be members of MOREDEK if desired. This is my Democratic.( You know this days, you really have to pinch yourself to feel that you have the right to say anything at all) We are a non political humanitarian organization. This is the reason I am involved. The United for the humanitarian Cause for Kenya (UHCK) was born out of an emergency need to address humanitarian issues arising after at election saga… It was born out of a powerful prayer session at Bagarmossen Outreach Ministry.. We want to help with what we can and this is only possible if we unite.
As Christians, we have a responsibility to help our fellow human beings when they are in need. However, when it comes to the political position, then I am with the struggle for the restoration of democracy in Kenya. This struggle must not negatively influence my position as a humanitarian activist for those who lost their lives, maimed or lost their family members. This issue is not going to be easy because it has been made difficult for more that 44 years now. It is a shame that we are so much divided. I sincerely dislike it and it stinks that it is so. By involving myself with a Humanitarian activity and at the same time demand my right for a democratic country seems to me to be the only left solution I have.
I am utterly dismayed that whatever we do anytime from the moment the vote was stolen is going be suspicious, with the tendency to separate us more. We must strive against this feeling. In any case, it was all about dividing resource and opportunity fairly among all Kenyans. It was about a constitution that reflects the need of our people and our country. It was never about the Jaluo Agwambo’s neither was ever the Kikuyu Murani’s It was to be all 40 and more tribes of Kenya a thing that has never been. How can we unite our society? On what grounds can we cooperate? How can we prove that is not about Kibaki and Odinga?
And above all? How can the rigging of 2007 general election be restored? One thing that is certain, those who lost their lives, are gone and paid the ultimate price for our stupidity and madness and many are maimed and reduced to refugees due to our miss conduct and unfairness. We must work to prevent this chaotic scenario in the future. Lest we become other races laughingstock Please give a solution to this chaos. About 30 people attended the meeting and the new group – Movement for the Restoration of Democracy in Kenya was formed.
The group does not limit itself to humanitarian issues but will also tackle the political issues. Details will be released later. In the meantime, it is open for work with groups and individuals interested in bringing lasting and peaceful solution to the crisis in Kenya. The view is that there is need for dialogue. kheros is a defunct human rights organization whose mandate may be limited as it may not be able to touch on political issues. I doubt whether reviving it will be useful.
Brother, the Kenyan politics are mystical no wonder even the most promising figures are compromised the moment they join the “house”
There are many theories around to hold hands and unite. Obama says, in his at most intelligent speeches he makes in all campaigning meetings that SOMETHING IS HAPPENING IN AMERICA then they all sy; YES WE CAN. He says,(Obama) that if we unite, we can bring down the mighty power of injustice.
All men and women who are morally upright see the need for change both in America and in Kenya. We must unite because we have a common enemy that is the social economical and political injustice. How best can we do this? You tell me that in Sweden the Prime Minister respect the FUNDAMENTAL LAWS. WE EXPECT THAT our leaders do this as well.
Mr Mwaura, we cannot continue to reproduce the same division we have in Kenya here in Sweden. You must do something to fix that problem. This is very serious and I think we owe the future generation all to ensure we prepare this world for their survival. The problem as we all know is about even distribution of resources to all Kenyans despite background. Our leaders are failures! They should have fixed this by constitution long time ago. What is your plan now? There must not be any more bloodshed in our country! Tell me about the Kenya Capitalism.
Chairman CCM Sweden, Saidimu Ole Ngais and chairman Narc- KS Daniel Mwaura.
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